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<p dir="auto">本贴主角，甘愿当各个在线AGENT 小弟的minimax M3.1 FLASH<br />
F16权重 252G</p>
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<p dir="auto">被Strata捧红的当红炸子鸡<br />
F16权重  360G</p>
<p dir="auto">如果按QFN3.8的IQ3_S 体积来换算：<br />
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<p dir="auto">总体积小了，但是激活参数较高，现在流畅跑QFN3.8的硬件不一定能带得动。<br />
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<p dir="auto">unsloth已经在制作中<br />
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]]></description><link>https://lcz.me/topic/2523</link><generator>RSS for Node</generator><lastBuildDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2026 02:57:43 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://lcz.me/topic/2523.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2026 06:33:16 GMT</pubDate><ttl>60</ttl><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to 【讨论】 Minimax M3.1 Flash开源了 （26-10-23） on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 14:02:17 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">minimax M3 真的是一言难尽，这个是为一个买了订阅而不用的模型</p>
]]></description><link>https://lcz.me/post/27091</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://lcz.me/post/27091</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[farmer node]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2026 14:02:17 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to 【讨论】 Minimax M3.1 Flash开源了 （26-10-23） on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 10:33:55 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">我白天用 minimax 在线的 自己断线了,只能用本地 qwen next</p>
]]></description><link>https://lcz.me/post/27009</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://lcz.me/post/27009</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[gao Gao]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2026 10:33:55 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to 【讨论】 Minimax M3.1 Flash开源了 （26-10-23） on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 09:23:28 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">利用本地的话，主要是做子AGENT降低TOKEN消耗，以及白天对抗国内API高峰时的降速，我只想到一种玩法，白天用QFN 3.8快速协助工作。 晚上再换上大参数的在线API，带着本地DEEPSEEK或者MINIMAX 继续打磨，复核。</p>
]]></description><link>https://lcz.me/post/26986</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://lcz.me/post/26986</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[stxpnet]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2026 09:23:28 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to 【讨论】 Minimax M3.1 Flash开源了 （26-10-23） on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 09:05:28 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/kop-wang" aria-label="Profile: kop-wang">@<bdi>kop-wang</bdi></a></p>
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<p dir="auto">看圖左邊綠框附近這幾個模型（DS V4.1 flash 1017, MiniMax M3.1 flash, GLM 5.3 flash, Qwen3.8 ) 的能力都在伯仲之間，大約40分到45分區間，能力上沒有多少差距，個人測試困難問題的實戰無論是Deepseek或是qwen都是<strong>不行</strong>的<img src="https://lcz.me/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f616.png?v=ec85ec55bc1" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--confounded" style="height:1.4em;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":confounded:" alt="😖" /></p>
<p dir="auto">但部署的難度大有不同</p>
<table class="table table-bordered table-striped">
<thead>
<tr>
<th>比較項目</th>
<th>Qwen3.8 Flash-Next</th>
<th>MiniMax M3.1 Flash</th>
<th>DeepSeek V4.1 Flash</th>
<th>GLM-5.3 Flash</th>
</tr>
</thead>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td>總參數</td>
<td>125B 主幹 + 51B N-gram；另有可選 MTP</td>
<td>428B</td>
<td>552B 主幹 + 196B Engram</td>
<td>320B</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>活躍參數</td>
<td>6B</td>
<td>23B</td>
<td>Prefill 8B／Decode 16B</td>
<td>18B</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>基本架構</td>
<td>MoE + GDN + QSA</td>
<td>MoE + MSA</td>
<td>MoE + CED + CSA2</td>
<td>MoE + KDA + Sparse Attention</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>注意力設計</td>
<td>以 Gated DeltaNet 為主，搭配稀疏注意力</td>
<td>多層 MSA 稀疏注意力</td>
<td>Encoder／Decoder 與跨層 KV 共用</td>
<td>線性注意力搭配稀疏注意力</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>特殊機制</td>
<td>N-gram、Gated Residual、MTP</td>
<td>NVFP4 QAT、DSpark</td>
<td>Engram、FP4 KV、DSpark</td>
<td>mHC、MTP</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Context 規格上限</td>
<td>262K</td>
<td>1M</td>
<td>1M</td>
<td>1M</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>本人Decode 實測</td>
<td>約 86 tok/s</td>
<td>未測</td>
<td>約 17.07 tok/s</td>
<td>未測</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
]]></description><link>https://lcz.me/post/26982</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://lcz.me/post/26982</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[fanweng-code]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2026 09:05:28 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to 【讨论】 Minimax M3.1 Flash开源了 （26-10-23） on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 08:53:02 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Minimax Flash 衝一波<br />
2個禮拜後 換Qwen4.0-27B 上場？</p>
]]></description><link>https://lcz.me/post/26977</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://lcz.me/post/26977</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[kos or]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2026 08:53:02 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to 【讨论】 Minimax M3.1 Flash开源了 （26-10-23） on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 07:47:38 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">这张图里面qwen 3.8 27b居然比这两个都要高</p>
]]></description><link>https://lcz.me/post/26938</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://lcz.me/post/26938</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Hackner Weinland]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2026 07:47:38 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to 【讨论】 Minimax M3.1 Flash开源了 （26-10-23） on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 07:31:25 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">可能跑分不太能精准表达模型的能力，但是这张质价比图还是有些信息量的：<br />
<img src="https://upload.lcz.me/uploads/238c6621-1695-4c70-84de-5ffbc6fd62d8.jpeg" alt="image.jpeg" class="img-markdown  img-fluid" /></p>
]]></description><link>https://lcz.me/post/26934</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://lcz.me/post/26934</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[kop wang]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2026 07:31:25 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to 【讨论】 Minimax M3.1 Flash开源了 （26-10-23） on Fri, 23 Oct 2026 06:34:41 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">吹牛逼严重，最后还是DS能干活。被骗多了都麻木了。</p>
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