<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[淺聊PrismaQuant, INT4 Autoround以及單純NVFP4量化在RTX Pro 4500下的表現]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">舊標題: 找到一個Prismaquant的新量化模式可以在vLLM給Blackwell架構 (50系, RTX Pro系列) 使用</p>
<p dir="auto">因為最近跑的<a href="https://huggingface.co/sakamakismile/Qwen3.6-27B-Text-NVFP4-MTP" rel="nofollow ugc">Sakamakismile</a>的模型在更新到vLLM 0.23跟0.24 後頻繁出現Tool Call錯誤跟Thinking Loop，就算換掉有其他壇友推薦的Froggeric Chat Template一樣沒有改善，所以就跑去找有沒有NVFP4量化的模型</p>
<p dir="auto">然後找到一個來自<a href="https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/introducing-prismaquant/367085" rel="nofollow ugc">Nvidia DGX Spark官方論壇</a>上面的討論比較多的新量化模式, <a href="https://github.com/RobTand/prismaquant" rel="nofollow ugc">PrismaQuant</a>, 簡單來說就是為每一個線性層 (Linear layer) 挑選最合適的格式, 在特定Bit數下最大化模型的能力, 我看看明天能不能在<a href="https://lcz.me/topic/551/%E6%B7%BA%E8%AB%87%E6%A8%A1%E5%9E%8B%E6%AC%8A%E9%87%8D%E4%BB%A5%E5%8F%8Akv-cache%E7%9A%84%E9%87%8F%E5%8C%96-gguf-k-quant-i-quant-awq-gptq-autoround-smoothquant-turboquant-kivi#gsc.tab=0">隔壁的帖子</a>講解一下</p>
<p dir="auto">要注意PrismaQuant量化模式目前僅可在vLLM給Blackwell架構 (50系, RTX Pro系列) 使用, 而且因爲太新, gguf基本上直接陣亡</p>
<p dir="auto">換掉之後這幾天總算比較穩定點, 沒怎麼遇到了</p>
<hr />
<table class="table table-bordered table-striped">
<thead>
<tr>
<th style="text-align:left">分類</th>
<th style="text-align:left">模型名稱</th>
<th style="text-align:left">量化位元數</th>
<th style="text-align:left">權重大小</th>
<th style="text-align:left">基礎/來源模型</th>
<th style="text-align:left">備註</th>
</tr>
</thead>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left"><strong>MoE</strong></td>
<td style="text-align:left"><code>rdtand/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-PrismaQuant-4.75bit-vllm</code></td>
<td style="text-align:left">~4.75 bits</td>
<td style="text-align:left">未提供</td>
<td style="text-align:left"><code>Qwen3.6-35B-A3B</code></td>
<td style="text-align:left">未實際測試；MoE 架構不適合跑在 Oculink</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left"><strong>基礎 (Base)</strong></td>
<td style="text-align:left"><code>rdtand/Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm</code></td>
<td style="text-align:left">~5.31 bits</td>
<td style="text-align:left">~20 GB</td>
<td style="text-align:left"><code>Qwen3.6-27B</code></td>
<td style="text-align:left">–</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left"><strong>進階 (Advanced)</strong></td>
<td style="text-align:left"><code>rdtand/Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaAURA-5.5bit-vllm</code></td>
<td style="text-align:left">~5.5 bits</td>
<td style="text-align:left">~23 GB</td>
<td style="text-align:left"><code>Qwen3.6-27B</code></td>
<td style="text-align:left">Bit數比起PrismaSCOUT高，理論上精度越好</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left"><strong>無審查 (Uncensored)</strong></td>
<td style="text-align:left"><code>rdtand/Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaQuant-Heretic-5.25bit-vllm</code></td>
<td style="text-align:left">~5.249 bits</td>
<td style="text-align:left">~22 GB</td>
<td style="text-align:left"><code>llmfan46/Qwen3.6-27B-uncensored-heretic-v2</code></td>
<td style="text-align:left">未實際測試；啟動指令估計與 PrismaAURA 相近</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p dir="auto">PrismaSCOUT啟動咒語</p>
<pre><code>docker run -d --name vllm-prismascout --restart unless-stopped --gpus all --ipc=host -p 8000:8000 --env-file .env -e HF_HUB_OFFLINE=1 -e VLLM_USE_FLASHINFER_SAMPLER=1 -e VLLM_NVFP4_GEMM_BACKEND=flashinfer-
  cutlass -e PYTORCH_CUDA_ALLOC_CONF=expandable_segments:True -v /home/rw/vllm/models:/models:ro --entrypoint /bin/bash "vllm/vllm-openai:v0.24.0-cu129-ubuntu2404" -lc 'exec vllm serve /models/rdtand/Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-
  Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm --served-model-name Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm --host 0.0.0.0 --port 8000  --max-model-len 200000 --gpu-memory-utilization 0.96
  --kv-cache-dtype fp8 --quantization compressed-tensors --trust-remote-code --enable-chunked-prefill --reasoning-parser qwen3 --tool-call-parser qwen3_coder --enable-auto-tool-choice --max-num-seqs 1 --max-
  num-batched-tokens 8192 --speculative-config '"'"'{"method":"mtp","num_speculative_tokens":3}'"'"' --performance-mode interactivity --attention-backend flashinfer --enable-prefix-caching --no-disable-
  hybrid-kv-cache-manager --limit-mm-per-prompt '"'"'{"image":4}'"'"' --chat-template /models/rdtand/Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm/chat_template.jinja'
</code></pre>
<p dir="auto">PrismaAURA啟動咒語</p>
<pre><code>docker run -d --name vllm-prismaaura --restart unless-stopped --gpus all --ipc=host -p 8000:8000 --env-file .env -e HF_HUB_OFFLINE=1 -e VLLM_USE_FLASHINFER_SAMPLER=1 -e VLLM_NVFP4_GEMM_BACKEND=flashinfer-
  cutlass -e PYTORCH_CUDA_ALLOC_CONF=expandable_segments:True -v /home/rw/vllm/models:/models:ro --entrypoint /bin/bash "vllm/vllm-openai:v0.24.0-cu129-ubuntu2404" -lc 'exec vllm serve /models/rdtand/Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaAURA-5.5bit-
  vllm --served-model-name Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaAURA-5.5bit-vllm --host 0.0.0.0 --port 8000 --max-model-len 150000 --gpu-memory-utilization 0.96 --kv-cache-dtype fp8 --quantization
  compressed-tensors --trust-remote-code --enable-chunked-prefill --reasoning-parser qwen3 --tool-call-parser qwen3_coder --enable-auto-tool-choice --max-num-seqs 1 --max-num-batched-tokens 8192
  --speculative-config '"'"'{"method":"mtp","num_speculative_tokens":3}'"'"' --performance-mode interactivity --attention-backend flashinfer --enable-prefix-caching --no-disable-hybrid-kv-cache-manager
  --limit-mm-per-prompt '"'"'{"image":4}'"'"' --chat-template /models/rdtand/Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaAURA-5.5bit-vllm/chat_template.jinja'
</code></pre>
<p dir="auto">要注意因為PrismaAURA因為精度較高所以比PrismaSCOUNT佔用多2GB權重, 所以上下文需要降到150000</p>
<hr />
<p dir="auto">跑了一個晚上的llama-benchy (2026-07-11)</p>
<p dir="auto">直接在這裏補個結論</p>
<p dir="auto">處理 100K 與 200K 上下文時的表現:</p>
<table class="table table-bordered table-striped">
<thead>
<tr>
<th>模型</th>
<th>100K平均PP</th>
<th>100K平均TG</th>
<th>100K首字回應</th>
<th>100K閲讀耗時</th>
<th>100K 體感延遲</th>
<th>200K平均PP</th>
<th>200K平均TG</th>
<th>200K首字回應</th>
<th>200K閲讀耗時</th>
<th>200K體感延遲</th>
</tr>
</thead>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td>Sakamakismile</td>
<td><strong>5,789.07</strong></td>
<td>71.64</td>
<td><strong>40,259.90</strong></td>
<td><strong>40,162.05</strong></td>
<td><strong>40,264.76</strong></td>
<td><strong>1,558.91</strong></td>
<td>59.02</td>
<td><strong>129,706.83</strong></td>
<td><strong>129,608.98</strong></td>
<td><strong>129,715.93</strong></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>PrismaSCOUT</td>
<td>4,987.60</td>
<td>70.17</td>
<td>41,587.44</td>
<td>41,480.03</td>
<td>41,591.90</td>
<td>1,525.83</td>
<td><strong>61.81</strong></td>
<td>132,525.85</td>
<td>132,418.43</td>
<td>132,535.59</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>PrismaAURA</td>
<td>4,259.20</td>
<td>64.84</td>
<td>43,834.67</td>
<td>43,730.58</td>
<td>43,839.15</td>
<td>(未測試)</td>
<td>(未測試)</td>
<td>(未測試)</td>
<td>(未測試)</td>
<td>(未測試)</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Lorbus</td>
<td>2,085.92</td>
<td><strong>74.74</strong></td>
<td>69,576.21</td>
<td>69,505.23</td>
<td>69,581.18</td>
<td>1,076.24</td>
<td>61.65</td>
<td>187,806.97</td>
<td>187,735.98</td>
<td>187,815.98</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p dir="auto">PrismaAURA 因為顯存不夠, 測到 130K就停</p>
<hr />
<p dir="auto">簡單解釋一下名詞:</p>
<ul>
<li><code>t/s</code>: 每秒處理 token 數, 數字越大越快。</li>
<li><code>PP</code>: Prompt Processing, 模型閲讀用戶輸入速度</li>
<li><code>TG</code>: Token Generation, 模型開始生成Token速度</li>
<li><code>ttfr</code> 與 <code>e2e_ttft</code> (首字回應 / 體感延遲):  數字越低越好, 等同按下 Enter 後, <strong>到第一個字跳出來的 <em>體感等待時間</em></strong></li>
<li><code>est_ppt</code>: 預估閲讀耗時, Debug用, 預測模型在長上下文的時間</li>
</ul>
<p dir="auto">用上面的數據來説的話就是:</p>
<p dir="auto">在 100K的情境下, Sakamakismile的量化模型大概要等 40.3 秒, PrismaSCOUT 41.6 秒, PrismaAURA 43.8 秒, Lorbus 要等到接近70秒</p>
<p dir="auto">如果是 200K的超長上下文, Sakamakismile要等2分10秒開始看到輸出, PrismaSCOUT 2分13秒, Lorbus 則會讓你等到超過 3 分鐘.</p>
<p dir="auto">不過一但進入Token生成的時候, 速度其實差不多 (59-62 t/s), 基本超出人的閲讀速度 (大於25 t/s), 480 Token也大約只需要8秒</p>
<p dir="auto">在 200K上, Sakamakismile 的讀題速度和體感延遲表現都是最好</p>
<p dir="auto">PrismaSCOUT基本上只差Lorbus一點 (0.16 t/s), 日常使用中基本上無感</p>
<p dir="auto">雖然Lorbus雖然生成算快, 但它那個體感延遲真的超級慢...</p>
<p dir="auto">100K跟200K上每個模型的 <code>e2e_ttft</code> 跟 <code>est_ppt</code> 的時間差都不到 120 毫秒, 代表系統的額外負擔極小, 等待時間長短完全是看模型自己的硬實力, 倒不如說從一個Linear Layer跳到另一個Linear Layer上額外計算不多</p>
<hr />
<ul>
<li>
<p dir="auto"><strong>綜合效能: Sakamakismile</strong><br />
綜合性能最好, 等最少時間, 閲讀耗時比PrismaSCOUT高約16%, 比PrismaAURA快36%, Token生成也最快, <s>要是Tool Call 不要經常挂掉就好了</s></p>
</li>
<li>
<p dir="auto"><strong>比較穩定的第二選擇: PrismaSCOUT</strong><br />
短文本表現微幅落後, 但在 210K的超長上下文測試跟Sakamakismile的體感延遲其實只差了約 2%, 基於這幾天的穩定Tool Call其實已經合格了</p>
</li>
<li>
<p dir="auto"><strong>舊硬件可選: Lorbus</strong><br />
生成超級快, 100K上下文74.74t/s, 200K上下文61 t/s, <s>但要是體感延遲也快就好了, 3分鐘等待是什麽鬼</s>, 基本上只適合跑不在乎一開始要等多久的後台工作</p>
</li>
<li>
<p dir="auto"><strong>速度平庸：PrismaAURA</strong><br />
輸入跟輸出都偏慢, 不過這個模型本來就是以精度為目標 (FP8 + BF16 混合Linear Layer), 單純看速度説不了什麽</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p dir="auto"><em>(PS: 單人連線測試, 跑三次取平均, 並未評估模型的回答質量, 這個之後會跑<a href="https://github.com/SeraphimSerapis/tool-eval-bench" rel="nofollow ugc">tool-eval-bench</a>, 純粹就速度與延遲進行比較)</em></p>
]]></description><link>https://lcz.me/topic/815/淺聊prismaquant-int4-autoround以及單純nvfp4量化在rtx-pro-4500下的表現</link><generator>RSS for Node</generator><lastBuildDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2026 22:16:54 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://lcz.me/topic/815.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2026 02:55:19 GMT</pubDate><ttl>60</ttl><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to 淺聊PrismaQuant, INT4 Autoround以及單純NVFP4量化在RTX Pro 4500下的表現 on Sat, 11 Jul 2026 15:01:34 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/rich-king" aria-label="Profile: rich-king">@<bdi>rich-king</bdi></a></p>
<p dir="auto"><a href="https://github.com/vllm-project/vllm/issues/43559" rel="nofollow ugc">原來vLLM那邊有人報告了Tool Call不準確的問題了</a></p>
<p dir="auto">目前見到的情況是因爲MTP跟enable-prefix-caching一起用會導致推論精度下降, 導致Tool Call出現問題, 有人報告Tool Call精準度下降到50%</p>
]]></description><link>https://lcz.me/post/9731</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://lcz.me/post/9731</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[566656661]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2026 15:01:34 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to 淺聊PrismaQuant, INT4 Autoround以及單純NVFP4量化在RTX Pro 4500下的表現 on Sat, 11 Jul 2026 03:35:40 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/terry" aria-label="Profile: terry">@<bdi>terry</bdi></a></p>
<p dir="auto">好咧, 搞定</p>
]]></description><link>https://lcz.me/post/9704</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://lcz.me/post/9704</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[566656661]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2026 03:35:40 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to 淺聊PrismaQuant, INT4 Autoround以及單純NVFP4量化在RTX Pro 4500下的表現 on Sat, 11 Jul 2026 03:32:11 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/566656661" aria-label="Profile: 566656661">@<bdi>566656661</bdi></a> 你把它复制到帖子开头吧，效果会更好一点。</p>
]]></description><link>https://lcz.me/post/9703</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://lcz.me/post/9703</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[terry]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2026 03:32:11 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to 淺聊PrismaQuant, INT4 Autoround以及單純NVFP4量化在RTX Pro 4500下的表現 on Sat, 11 Jul 2026 03:30:06 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/terry" aria-label="Profile: terry">@<bdi>terry</bdi></a></p>
<p dir="auto">結論在7樓啊, 後面4層都是數據, 畢竟結論也需要數據支持吧?</p>
]]></description><link>https://lcz.me/post/9702</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://lcz.me/post/9702</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[566656661]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2026 03:30:06 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to 淺聊PrismaQuant, INT4 Autoround以及單純NVFP4量化在RTX Pro 4500下的表現 on Sat, 11 Jul 2026 03:24:48 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">可以，数据太多了，你直接上点结论不是更好？</p>
]]></description><link>https://lcz.me/post/9700</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://lcz.me/post/9700</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[terry]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2026 03:24:48 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to 淺聊PrismaQuant, INT4 Autoround以及單純NVFP4量化在RTX Pro 4500下的表現 on Sat, 11 Jul 2026 01:50:05 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a href="https://lcz.me/topic/815/%E6%B7%BA%E8%81%8Aprismaquant-int4-autoround%E4%BB%A5%E5%8F%8A%E5%96%AE%E7%B4%94nvfp4%E9%87%8F%E5%8C%96%E5%9C%A8rtx-pro-4500%E4%B8%8B%E7%9A%84%E8%A1%A8%E7%8F%BE/7#gsc.tab=0">新增7樓結論</a>, 更改標題</p>
<p dir="auto">要注意這個文章晚點會被翻譯成英文再扔到LocalLLama 的 subreddit了</p>
]]></description><link>https://lcz.me/post/9692</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://lcz.me/post/9692</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[566656661]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2026 01:50:05 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to 淺聊PrismaQuant, INT4 Autoround以及單純NVFP4量化在RTX Pro 4500下的表現 on Sat, 11 Jul 2026 00:39:33 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<h2>sakamakismile/Qwen3.6-27B-Text-NVFP4-MTP</h2>
<pre><code class="language-bash">cd /home/rw/llama-benchy &amp;&amp; source .venv/bin/activate &amp;&amp; llama-benchy --base-url "http://localhost:7380/v1" --model "Huihui-Qwen3.6-27B-abliterated-NVFP4-MTP" --tokenizer "/home/rw/vllm/models/sakamakismile/Huihui-Qwen3.6-27B-abliterated-NVFP4-MTP" --pp 2048 --tg 480 --depth 0 1000 5000 10000 20000 50000 100000 150000 200000 210000 --latency-mode generation --skip-coherence --concurrency 1 --save-result "/home/rw/vllm/benchmark-results/2026-07-10-vllm-generation/sakamakismile-qwen3.6.md" --format md --emit-progress "/home/rw/vllm/benchmark-results/2026-07-10-vllm-generation/sakamakismile-qwen3.6.progress.jsonl"
</code></pre>
<table class="table table-bordered table-striped">
<thead>
<tr>
<th style="text-align:left">model</th>
<th style="text-align:right">test</th>
<th style="text-align:right">t/s</th>
<th style="text-align:right">peak t/s</th>
<th style="text-align:right">ttfr (ms)</th>
<th style="text-align:right">est_ppt (ms)</th>
<th style="text-align:right">e2e_ttft (ms)</th>
</tr>
</thead>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Huihui-Qwen3.6-27B-abliterated-NVFP4-MTP</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048</td>
<td style="text-align:right">8586.53 ± 13.35</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">336.52 ± 0.32</td>
<td style="text-align:right">238.67 ± 0.32</td>
<td style="text-align:right">336.52 ± 0.32</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Huihui-Qwen3.6-27B-abliterated-NVFP4-MTP</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480</td>
<td style="text-align:right">75.96 ± 2.83</td>
<td style="text-align:right">92.00 ± 2.83</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Huihui-Qwen3.6-27B-abliterated-NVFP4-MTP</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d1000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">7766.18 ± 35.67</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">490.46 ± 1.80</td>
<td style="text-align:right">392.61 ± 1.80</td>
<td style="text-align:right">490.46 ± 1.80</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Huihui-Qwen3.6-27B-abliterated-NVFP4-MTP</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d1000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">67.58 ± 4.10</td>
<td style="text-align:right">89.33 ± 4.19</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Huihui-Qwen3.6-27B-abliterated-NVFP4-MTP</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d5000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">6792.75 ± 10.01</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">1135.57 ± 1.41</td>
<td style="text-align:right">1037.73 ± 1.41</td>
<td style="text-align:right">1135.57 ± 1.41</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Huihui-Qwen3.6-27B-abliterated-NVFP4-MTP</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d5000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">70.23 ± 3.33</td>
<td style="text-align:right">88.00 ± 3.56</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Huihui-Qwen3.6-27B-abliterated-NVFP4-MTP</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d10000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">5970.12 ± 6.61</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">2116.07 ± 2.24</td>
<td style="text-align:right">2018.22 ± 2.24</td>
<td style="text-align:right">2116.07 ± 2.24</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Huihui-Qwen3.6-27B-abliterated-NVFP4-MTP</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d10000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">72.55 ± 6.17</td>
<td style="text-align:right">92.67 ± 2.87</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Huihui-Qwen3.6-27B-abliterated-NVFP4-MTP</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d20000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">5155.64 ± 2.62</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">4374.46 ± 2.13</td>
<td style="text-align:right">4276.61 ± 2.13</td>
<td style="text-align:right">4375.80 ± 2.06</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Huihui-Qwen3.6-27B-abliterated-NVFP4-MTP</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d20000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">76.50 ± 0.36</td>
<td style="text-align:right">94.00 ± 4.32</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Huihui-Qwen3.6-27B-abliterated-NVFP4-MTP</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d50000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">3711.32 ± 0.59</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">14122.15 ± 2.27</td>
<td style="text-align:right">14024.31 ± 2.27</td>
<td style="text-align:right">14124.25 ± 2.20</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Huihui-Qwen3.6-27B-abliterated-NVFP4-MTP</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d50000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">72.70 ± 2.83</td>
<td style="text-align:right">92.33 ± 3.77</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Huihui-Qwen3.6-27B-abliterated-NVFP4-MTP</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d100000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">2540.93 ± 0.52</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">40259.90 ± 7.98</td>
<td style="text-align:right">40162.05 ± 7.98</td>
<td style="text-align:right">40264.76 ± 7.79</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Huihui-Qwen3.6-27B-abliterated-NVFP4-MTP</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d100000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">65.96 ± 2.32</td>
<td style="text-align:right">78.67 ± 2.87</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Huihui-Qwen3.6-27B-abliterated-NVFP4-MTP</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d150000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">1932.50 ± 0.48</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">78777.95 ± 19.55</td>
<td style="text-align:right">78680.11 ± 19.55</td>
<td style="text-align:right">78784.65 ± 19.37</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Huihui-Qwen3.6-27B-abliterated-NVFP4-MTP</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d150000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">61.13 ± 0.73</td>
<td style="text-align:right">77.67 ± 1.25</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Huihui-Qwen3.6-27B-abliterated-NVFP4-MTP</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d200000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">1558.91 ± 0.24</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">129706.83 ± 19.70</td>
<td style="text-align:right">129608.98 ± 19.70</td>
<td style="text-align:right">129715.93 ± 19.79</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Huihui-Qwen3.6-27B-abliterated-NVFP4-MTP</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d200000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">59.02 ± 2.99</td>
<td style="text-align:right">70.33 ± 2.36</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Huihui-Qwen3.6-27B-abliterated-NVFP4-MTP</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d210000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">1500.01 ± 0.12</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">141463.13 ± 11.03</td>
<td style="text-align:right">141365.28 ± 11.03</td>
<td style="text-align:right">141472.49 ± 11.21</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Huihui-Qwen3.6-27B-abliterated-NVFP4-MTP</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d210000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">57.59 ± 0.42</td>
<td style="text-align:right">73.00 ± 3.56</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
]]></description><link>https://lcz.me/post/9688</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://lcz.me/post/9688</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[566656661]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2026 00:39:33 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to 淺聊PrismaQuant, INT4 Autoround以及單純NVFP4量化在RTX Pro 4500下的表現 on Sat, 11 Jul 2026 00:40:07 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<h2>rdtand/Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm</h2>
<pre><code class="language-bash">cd /home/rw/llama-benchy &amp;&amp; source .venv/bin/activate &amp;&amp; llama-benchy --base-url "http://localhost:7380/v1" --model "Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm" --tokenizer "/home/rw/vllm/models/rdtand/Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm" --pp 2048 --tg 480 --depth 0 1000 5000 10000 20000 50000 100000 150000 200000 210000 --latency-mode generation --skip-coherence --concurrency 1 --save-result "/home/rw/vllm/benchmark-results/2026-07-10-vllm-generation/rdtand-prismascout.md" --format md --emit-progress "/home/rw/vllm/benchmark-results/2026-07-10-vllm-generation/rdtand-prismascout.progress.jsonl"
</code></pre>
<table class="table table-bordered table-striped">
<thead>
<tr>
<th style="text-align:left">model</th>
<th style="text-align:right">test</th>
<th style="text-align:right">t/s</th>
<th style="text-align:right">peak t/s</th>
<th style="text-align:right">ttfr (ms)</th>
<th style="text-align:right">est_ppt (ms)</th>
<th style="text-align:right">e2e_ttft (ms)</th>
</tr>
</thead>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048</td>
<td style="text-align:right">5856.51 ± 717.09</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">463.07 ± 47.30</td>
<td style="text-align:right">355.65 ± 47.30</td>
<td style="text-align:right">463.07 ± 47.30</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480</td>
<td style="text-align:right">75.13 ± 2.16</td>
<td style="text-align:right">92.33 ± 2.05</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d1000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">6657.31 ± 235.17</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">565.99 ± 16.34</td>
<td style="text-align:right">458.57 ± 16.34</td>
<td style="text-align:right">565.99 ± 16.34</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d1000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">72.04 ± 7.78</td>
<td style="text-align:right">88.67 ± 5.91</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d5000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">6241.79 ± 108.18</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">1237.18 ± 19.42</td>
<td style="text-align:right">1129.77 ± 19.42</td>
<td style="text-align:right">1237.18 ± 19.42</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d5000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">70.70 ± 1.92</td>
<td style="text-align:right">88.33 ± 2.62</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d10000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">5324.02 ± 168.79</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">2372.81 ± 71.23</td>
<td style="text-align:right">2265.40 ± 71.23</td>
<td style="text-align:right">2372.81 ± 71.23</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d10000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">71.88 ± 4.87</td>
<td style="text-align:right">87.33 ± 1.25</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d20000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">4831.87 ± 20.01</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">4670.67 ± 18.94</td>
<td style="text-align:right">4563.26 ± 18.94</td>
<td style="text-align:right">4671.97 ± 18.87</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d20000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">68.59 ± 3.03</td>
<td style="text-align:right">86.67 ± 3.30</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d50000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">3541.51 ± 2.18</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">14804.18 ± 9.14</td>
<td style="text-align:right">14696.76 ± 9.14</td>
<td style="text-align:right">14806.50 ± 9.23</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d50000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">69.34 ± 2.55</td>
<td style="text-align:right">84.00 ± 5.72</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d100000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">2460.18 ± 0.29</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">41587.44 ± 4.82</td>
<td style="text-align:right">41480.03 ± 4.82</td>
<td style="text-align:right">41591.90 ± 5.14</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d100000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">63.53 ± 4.67</td>
<td style="text-align:right">79.67 ± 3.68</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d150000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">1883.43 ± 0.66</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">80837.23 ± 28.22</td>
<td style="text-align:right">80729.81 ± 28.22</td>
<td style="text-align:right">80845.53 ± 29.14</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d150000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">63.47 ± 2.92</td>
<td style="text-align:right">78.67 ± 3.30</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d200000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">1525.83 ± 0.26</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">132525.85 ± 22.57</td>
<td style="text-align:right">132418.43 ± 22.57</td>
<td style="text-align:right">132535.59 ± 23.55</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d200000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">61.81 ± 1.34</td>
<td style="text-align:right">74.00 ± 1.41</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d210000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">1469.93 ± 1.33</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">144365.98 ± 130.60</td>
<td style="text-align:right">144258.56 ± 130.60</td>
<td style="text-align:right">144372.64 ± 135.28</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d210000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">56.70 ± 2.40</td>
<td style="text-align:right">74.67 ± 1.70</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
]]></description><link>https://lcz.me/post/9687</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://lcz.me/post/9687</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[566656661]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2026 00:40:07 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to 淺聊PrismaQuant, INT4 Autoround以及單純NVFP4量化在RTX Pro 4500下的表現 on Sat, 11 Jul 2026 00:39:06 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<h2>rdtand/Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaAURA-5.5bit-vllm</h2>
<pre><code class="language-bash">cd /home/rw/llama-benchy &amp;&amp; source .venv/bin/activate &amp;&amp; llama-benchy --base-url "http://localhost:7380/v1" --model "Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaAURA-5.5bit-vllm" --tokenizer "/home/rw/vllm/models/rdtand/Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaAURA-5.5bit-vllm" --pp 2048 --tg 480 --depth 0 1000 5000 10000 20000 50000 100000 130000 --latency-mode generation --skip-coherence --concurrency 1 --save-result "/home/rw/vllm/benchmark-results/2026-07-10-vllm-generation/rdtand-prismaaura.md" --format md --emit-progress "/home/rw/vllm/benchmark-results/2026-07-10-vllm-generation/rdtand-prismaaura.progress.jsonl"
</code></pre>
<table class="table table-bordered table-striped">
<thead>
<tr>
<th style="text-align:left">model</th>
<th style="text-align:right">test</th>
<th style="text-align:right">t/s</th>
<th style="text-align:right">peak t/s</th>
<th style="text-align:right">ttfr (ms)</th>
<th style="text-align:right">est_ppt (ms)</th>
<th style="text-align:right">e2e_ttft (ms)</th>
</tr>
</thead>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaAURA-5.5bit-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048</td>
<td style="text-align:right">5063.05 ± 507.65</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">513.19 ± 43.93</td>
<td style="text-align:right">409.10 ± 43.93</td>
<td style="text-align:right">513.19 ± 43.93</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaAURA-5.5bit-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480</td>
<td style="text-align:right">63.48 ± 2.54</td>
<td style="text-align:right">76.67 ± 5.25</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaAURA-5.5bit-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d1000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">4938.83 ± 600.47</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">730.08 ± 72.32</td>
<td style="text-align:right">625.99 ± 72.32</td>
<td style="text-align:right">730.08 ± 72.32</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaAURA-5.5bit-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d1000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">69.03 ± 2.59</td>
<td style="text-align:right">83.67 ± 2.87</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaAURA-5.5bit-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d5000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">4905.40 ± 59.54</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">1541.22 ± 17.49</td>
<td style="text-align:right">1437.13 ± 17.49</td>
<td style="text-align:right">1541.22 ± 17.49</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaAURA-5.5bit-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d5000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">65.70 ± 5.04</td>
<td style="text-align:right">84.00 ± 3.74</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaAURA-5.5bit-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d10000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">4905.96 ± 63.31</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">2560.56 ± 31.78</td>
<td style="text-align:right">2456.47 ± 31.78</td>
<td style="text-align:right">2560.56 ± 31.78</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaAURA-5.5bit-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d10000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">67.96 ± 2.99</td>
<td style="text-align:right">85.33 ± 3.68</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaAURA-5.5bit-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d20000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">4389.10 ± 17.37</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">5127.60 ± 19.84</td>
<td style="text-align:right">5023.51 ± 19.84</td>
<td style="text-align:right">5128.85 ± 19.71</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaAURA-5.5bit-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d20000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">66.39 ± 1.81</td>
<td style="text-align:right">80.33 ± 3.09</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaAURA-5.5bit-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d50000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">3278.48 ± 6.13</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">15980.09 ± 29.65</td>
<td style="text-align:right">15876.00 ± 29.65</td>
<td style="text-align:right">15982.46 ± 29.54</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaAURA-5.5bit-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d50000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">66.58 ± 2.41</td>
<td style="text-align:right">81.67 ± 2.36</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaAURA-5.5bit-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d100000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">2333.58 ± 0.11</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">43834.67 ± 2.13</td>
<td style="text-align:right">43730.58 ± 2.13</td>
<td style="text-align:right">43839.15 ± 2.17</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaAURA-5.5bit-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d100000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">54.77 ± 1.31</td>
<td style="text-align:right">79.33 ± 1.25</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaAURA-5.5bit-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d130000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">1986.20 ± 0.93</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">66587.42 ± 31.08</td>
<td style="text-align:right">66483.33 ± 31.08</td>
<td style="text-align:right">66593.71 ± 30.32</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaAURA-5.5bit-vllm</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d130000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">59.76 ± 2.42</td>
<td style="text-align:right">74.33 ± 3.86</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
]]></description><link>https://lcz.me/post/9686</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://lcz.me/post/9686</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[566656661]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2026 00:39:06 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to 淺聊PrismaQuant, INT4 Autoround以及單純NVFP4量化在RTX Pro 4500下的表現 on Sat, 11 Jul 2026 00:38:30 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<h2>Lorbus/Qwen3.6-27B-int4-AutoRound</h2>
<p dir="auto">測試咒語</p>
<pre><code class="language-bash">cd /home/rw/llama-benchy &amp;&amp; source .venv/bin/activate &amp;&amp; llama-benchy --base-url "http://localhost:7380/v1" --model "Qwen3.6-27B-int4-AutoRound" --tokenizer "/home/rw/vllm/models/Lorbus/Qwen3.6-27B-int4-AutoRound" --pp 2048 --tg 480 --depth 0 1000 5000 10000 20000 50000 100000 150000 200000 210000 --latency-mode generation --skip-coherence --concurrency 1 --save-result "/home/rw/vllm/benchmark-results/2026-07-10-vllm-generation/lorbus-qwen3.6.md" --format md --emit-progress "/home/rw/vllm/benchmark-results/2026-07-10-vllm-generation/lorbus-qwen3.6.progress.jsonl"
</code></pre>
<table class="table table-bordered table-striped">
<thead>
<tr>
<th style="text-align:left">model</th>
<th style="text-align:right">test</th>
<th style="text-align:right">t/s</th>
<th style="text-align:right">peak t/s</th>
<th style="text-align:right">ttfr (ms)</th>
<th style="text-align:right">est_ppt (ms)</th>
<th style="text-align:right">e2e_ttft (ms)</th>
</tr>
</thead>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-int4-AutoRound</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048</td>
<td style="text-align:right">2265.07 ± 142.42</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">979.34 ± 59.72</td>
<td style="text-align:right">908.36 ± 59.72</td>
<td style="text-align:right">979.34 ± 59.72</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-int4-AutoRound</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480</td>
<td style="text-align:right">75.79 ± 0.56</td>
<td style="text-align:right">98.33 ± 5.44</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-int4-AutoRound</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d1000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">2398.37 ± 34.22</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">1342.38 ± 18.09</td>
<td style="text-align:right">1271.40 ± 18.09</td>
<td style="text-align:right">1342.38 ± 18.09</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-int4-AutoRound</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d1000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">75.11 ± 1.80</td>
<td style="text-align:right">93.33 ± 4.19</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-int4-AutoRound</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d5000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">2358.05 ± 15.15</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">3060.58 ± 19.20</td>
<td style="text-align:right">2989.60 ± 19.20</td>
<td style="text-align:right">3060.58 ± 19.20</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-int4-AutoRound</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d5000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">77.10 ± 2.79</td>
<td style="text-align:right">92.33 ± 2.62</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-int4-AutoRound</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d10000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">2224.06 ± 9.02</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">5488.80 ± 22.23</td>
<td style="text-align:right">5417.81 ± 22.23</td>
<td style="text-align:right">5488.80 ± 22.23</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-int4-AutoRound</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d10000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">76.34 ± 5.30</td>
<td style="text-align:right">90.00 ± 4.90</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-int4-AutoRound</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d20000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">2092.20 ± 2.93</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">10609.36 ± 14.97</td>
<td style="text-align:right">10538.38 ± 14.97</td>
<td style="text-align:right">10610.69 ± 15.00</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-int4-AutoRound</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d20000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">74.81 ± 1.35</td>
<td style="text-align:right">95.33 ± 3.68</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-int4-AutoRound</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d50000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">1795.50 ± 0.72</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">29059.50 ± 11.27</td>
<td style="text-align:right">28988.52 ± 11.27</td>
<td style="text-align:right">29061.94 ± 11.21</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-int4-AutoRound</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d50000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">71.68 ± 3.47</td>
<td style="text-align:right">93.00 ± 2.16</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-int4-AutoRound</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d100000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">1468.22 ± 0.25</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">69576.21 ± 11.65</td>
<td style="text-align:right">69505.23 ± 11.65</td>
<td style="text-align:right">69581.18 ± 12.20</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-int4-AutoRound</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d100000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">72.35 ± 1.91</td>
<td style="text-align:right">90.33 ± 4.50</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-int4-AutoRound</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d150000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">1240.97 ± 1.12</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">122595.75 ± 110.82</td>
<td style="text-align:right">122524.77 ± 110.82</td>
<td style="text-align:right">122603.15 ± 110.62</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-int4-AutoRound</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d150000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">67.56 ± 0.87</td>
<td style="text-align:right">84.33 ± 4.78</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-int4-AutoRound</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d200000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">1076.24 ± 0.13</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">187806.97 ± 23.37</td>
<td style="text-align:right">187735.98 ± 23.37</td>
<td style="text-align:right">187815.98 ± 23.34</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-int4-AutoRound</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d200000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">61.65 ± 1.78</td>
<td style="text-align:right">76.33 ± 1.89</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-int4-AutoRound</td>
<td style="text-align:right">pp2048 @ d210000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">1047.66 ± 0.10</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right">202474.09 ± 19.62</td>
<td style="text-align:right">202403.11 ± 19.62</td>
<td style="text-align:right">202483.65 ± 19.76</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:left">Qwen3.6-27B-int4-AutoRound</td>
<td style="text-align:right">tg480 @ d210000</td>
<td style="text-align:right">59.64 ± 1.94</td>
<td style="text-align:right">76.67 ± 3.30</td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
<td style="text-align:right"></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
]]></description><link>https://lcz.me/post/9685</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://lcz.me/post/9685</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[566656661]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2026 00:38:30 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to 淺聊PrismaQuant, INT4 Autoround以及單純NVFP4量化在RTX Pro 4500下的表現 on Sat, 11 Jul 2026 01:35:29 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">好咧, 跑了一個晚上的llama-benchy, 有結果了</p>
<p dir="auto">直接在這裏補個結論</p>
<p dir="auto">處理 100K 與 200K 上下文時的表現:</p>
<table class="table table-bordered table-striped">
<thead>
<tr>
<th>模型</th>
<th>100K平均PP</th>
<th>100K平均TG</th>
<th>100K首字回應</th>
<th>100K閲讀耗時</th>
<th>100K 體感延遲</th>
<th>200K平均PP</th>
<th>200K平均TG</th>
<th>200K首字回應</th>
<th>200K閲讀耗時</th>
<th>200K體感延遲</th>
</tr>
</thead>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td>Sakamakismile</td>
<td><strong>5,789.07</strong></td>
<td>71.64</td>
<td><strong>40,259.90</strong></td>
<td><strong>40,162.05</strong></td>
<td><strong>40,264.76</strong></td>
<td><strong>1,558.91</strong></td>
<td>59.02</td>
<td><strong>129,706.83</strong></td>
<td><strong>129,608.98</strong></td>
<td><strong>129,715.93</strong></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>PrismaSCOUT</td>
<td>4,987.60</td>
<td>70.17</td>
<td>41,587.44</td>
<td>41,480.03</td>
<td>41,591.90</td>
<td>1,525.83</td>
<td><strong>61.81</strong></td>
<td>132,525.85</td>
<td>132,418.43</td>
<td>132,535.59</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>PrismaAURA</td>
<td>4,259.20</td>
<td>64.84</td>
<td>43,834.67</td>
<td>43,730.58</td>
<td>43,839.15</td>
<td>(未測試)</td>
<td>(未測試)</td>
<td>(未測試)</td>
<td>(未測試)</td>
<td>(未測試)</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Lorbus</td>
<td>2,085.92</td>
<td><strong>74.74</strong></td>
<td>69,576.21</td>
<td>69,505.23</td>
<td>69,581.18</td>
<td>1,076.24</td>
<td>61.65</td>
<td>187,806.97</td>
<td>187,735.98</td>
<td>187,815.98</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p dir="auto">PrismaAURA 因為顯存不夠, 測到 130K就停</p>
<hr />
<p dir="auto">簡單解釋一下名詞:</p>
<ul>
<li><code>t/s</code>: 每秒處理 token 數, 數字越大越快。</li>
<li><code>PP</code>: Prompt Processing, 模型閲讀用戶輸入速度</li>
<li><code>TG</code>: Token Generation, 模型開始生成Token速度</li>
<li><code>ttfr</code> 與 <code>e2e_ttft</code> (首字回應 / 體感延遲):  數字越低越好, 等同按下 Enter 後, <strong>到第一個字跳出來的 <em>體感等待時間</em></strong></li>
<li><code>est_ppt</code>: 預估閲讀耗時, Debug用, 預測模型在長上下文的時間</li>
</ul>
<p dir="auto">用上面的數據來説的話就是:</p>
<p dir="auto">在 100K的情境下, Sakamakismile的量化模型大概要等 40.3 秒, PrismaSCOUT 41.6 秒, PrismaAURA 43.8 秒, Lorbus 要等到接近70秒</p>
<p dir="auto">如果是 200K的超長上下文, Sakamakismile要等2分10秒開始看到輸出, PrismaSCOUT 2分13秒, Lorbus 則會讓你等到超過 3 分鐘.</p>
<p dir="auto">不過一但進入Token生成的時候, 速度其實差不多 (59-62 t/s), 基本超出人的閲讀速度 (大於25 t/s), 480 Token也大約只需要8秒</p>
<p dir="auto">在 200K上, Sakamakismile 的讀題速度和體感延遲表現都是最好</p>
<p dir="auto">PrismaSCOUT基本上只差Lorbus一點 (0.16 t/s), 日常使用中基本上無感</p>
<p dir="auto">雖然Lorbus雖然生成算快, 但它那個體感延遲真的超級慢...</p>
<p dir="auto">100K跟200K上每個模型的 <code>e2e_ttft</code> 跟 <code>est_ppt</code> 的時間差都不到 120 毫秒, 代表系統的額外負擔極小, 等待時間長短完全是看模型自己的硬實力, 倒不如說從一個Linear Layer跳到另一個Linear Layer上額外計算不多</p>
<hr />
<ul>
<li>
<p dir="auto"><strong>綜合效能: Sakamakismile</strong><br />
綜合性能最好, 等最少時間, 閲讀耗時比PrismaSCOUT高約16%, 比PrismaAURA快36%, Token生成也最快, <s>要是Tool Call 不要經常挂掉就好了</s></p>
</li>
<li>
<p dir="auto"><strong>比較穩定的第二選擇: PrismaSCOUT</strong><br />
短文本表現微幅落後, 但在 210K的超長上下文測試跟Sakamakismile的體感延遲其實只差了約 2%, 基於這幾天的穩定Tool Call其實已經合格了</p>
</li>
<li>
<p dir="auto"><strong>舊硬件可選: Lorbus</strong><br />
生成超級快, 100K上下文74.74t/s, 200K上下文61 t/s, <s>但要是體感延遲也快就好了, 3分鐘等待是什麽鬼</s>, 基本上只適合跑不在乎一開始要等多久的後台工作</p>
</li>
<li>
<p dir="auto"><strong>速度平庸：PrismaAURA</strong><br />
輸入跟輸出都偏慢, 不過這個模型本來就是以精度為目標 (FP8 + BF16 混合Linear Layer), 單純看速度説不了什麽</p>
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<p dir="auto"><em>(PS: 單人連線測試, 跑三次取平均, 並未評估模型的回答質量, 這個之後會跑<a href="https://github.com/SeraphimSerapis/tool-eval-bench" rel="nofollow ugc">tool-eval-bench</a>, 純粹就速度與延遲進行比較)</em></p>
<p dir="auto">之後4層是llama-benchy的測試結果</p>
]]></description><link>https://lcz.me/post/9684</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://lcz.me/post/9684</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[566656661]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2026 01:35:29 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to 淺聊PrismaQuant, INT4 Autoround以及單純NVFP4量化在RTX Pro 4500下的表現 on Sat, 11 Jul 2026 00:14:46 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/rich-king" aria-label="Profile: rich-king">@<bdi>rich-king</bdi></a></p>
<p dir="auto">我個人感覺更像是模型本體精度在INT4 / MXFP4 / NVFP4 被過分壓縮導致出問題</p>
<p dir="auto">普通聊天不會出現, 但是一遇到Harness多跟Tool Call多就很容易出問題</p>
]]></description><link>https://lcz.me/post/9682</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://lcz.me/post/9682</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[566656661]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2026 00:14:46 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to 淺聊PrismaQuant, INT4 Autoround以及單純NVFP4量化在RTX Pro 4500下的表現 on Fri, 10 Jul 2026 13:19:27 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">我感觉vllm对mtp的支持始终有问题，打开mtp会造成tool调用出错、loop、边界识别错误等问题，num_speculative_tokens降低到1凑合着能用，彻底关闭mtp就好不少，但是速度又太慢。<br />
我让codex给vllm0.24.0打了几个还没merge的pr，似乎好点了。<br />
哦，对了，jinja chat template模板也有影响，llama.cpp似乎在脚本方面比较稳定，但是存在prompt fill巨慢的问题，总之，各种mtp、dflash加速确实很快，很爽，但是真要用起来，还需要很多调教。</p>
]]></description><link>https://lcz.me/post/9647</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://lcz.me/post/9647</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[rich king]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2026 13:19:27 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to 淺聊PrismaQuant, INT4 Autoround以及單純NVFP4量化在RTX Pro 4500下的表現 on Fri, 10 Jul 2026 06:17:08 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/terry" aria-label="Profile: terry">@<bdi>terry</bdi></a></p>
<p dir="auto">體感是有速度提升, 只不過還沒系統性的測試所以不敢直接下結論, 有可能是因為大部份工作都是編程所以只在這邊有感覺到加快, 得星期六日有空測試才行</p>
<p dir="auto">目前打算在0.24 vLLM跑INT4 Autoround (Lorbus那個), PrismaSCOUT以及PrismaAURA</p>
<p dir="auto">Sakamakismile那個也會跑, 不過因為Tool Call壞掉估計在實際用處不大, 只能當成聊天基準</p>
<p dir="auto">理論上Prismaquant會比單純壓成NVFP4的W4A4 (Sakamakismile那個) 慢</p>
<p dir="auto">但是估計會比INT4 Autoround快上一點, 畢竟部分層是跑在W4A8跟W8A8, 不用變回W4A16</p>
]]></description><link>https://lcz.me/post/9603</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://lcz.me/post/9603</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[566656661]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2026 06:17:08 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to 淺聊PrismaQuant, INT4 Autoround以及單純NVFP4量化在RTX Pro 4500下的表現 on Fri, 10 Jul 2026 05:18:51 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">对速度有提升很大？简单给个结论在开头，其实最重要的就是Qwen3.6-27B在精度类似的情况下，能跑多快。</p>
]]></description><link>https://lcz.me/post/9600</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://lcz.me/post/9600</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[terry]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2026 05:18:51 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to 淺聊PrismaQuant, INT4 Autoround以及單純NVFP4量化在RTX Pro 4500下的表現 on Sat, 11 Jul 2026 03:34:01 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a href="https://github.com/RobTand/prismaquant/blob/main/docs/qwen36_27b_current_vs_shipped_2026-05-25.md" rel="nofollow ugc">KLD測試結果來源</a></p>
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<th style="text-align:right">KL mean vs BF16</th>
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<td><code>rdtand/Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaAURA-5.5bit-vllm</code></td>
<td style="text-align:right">0.0342</td>
<td style="text-align:right">~23 GB</td>
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<td><code>rdtand-Qwen3.6-27B-PrismaSCOUT-Blackwell-NVFP4-BF16-vllm-shipped-5p31</code></td>
<td style="text-align:right">0.0550810285</td>
<td style="text-align:right">~20 GB</td>
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<p dir="auto">對比其他用INT4或者單純用NVFP4壓縮模型 + 激活通道的NVFP4分支,  KLD相比BF16損失更少, 模型權重也更細, 而且更有NVFP4加速效果, 這幾天找個時間跑一下llama-benchy</p>
<p dir="auto"><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1ssyukx/qwen3627b_klds_ints_and_nvfps/?solution=4e76391560d6a4fd4e76391560d6a4fd&amp;js_challenge=1&amp;token=7afd7253fec22262ff1c52b1703fe9eccebde6ea54d905f683024b5a7a6b2efc&amp;jsc_orig_r=" rel="nofollow ugc">Reddit來源</a><br />
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